Rebalance Discussions

[Raissa]

Let's start complaining xD [or not ]. ( ofc its my opinion.. )

1) Pidgeot - rly? IMO u should check it once again. Still is the worst bird and noone is using it.
2) Meganium - ok, Natural Gift and Flower Shiled as a passive are a big help but removing Synthesis is a bad decission. I will suggest adding again Synhtesis instead Aromatherapy and remove Shield couse it would be little OP. Or let Aromatherapy heal itself 30% or more by one time like 1000 and 5x instead 800 and 3x.
3) Sableye - Detect almost the most useful move in pvp and in exp zone and it has been removed. Maybe it was too OP but removing prot isn't a solution. If u can, look on it again and change once again it in other way than removing protection move.
4) Gengar - only one move Nighmtare/Dream Eater, I wrote about it. Its VERY HARD to use them both on one time when Hypnosis is working. Instead one of them atleast Ghost Wind.
5) Magmortar - it isn't a compaining, more a point of attention. It has Smokescreen at moveset and Brick Break as a TM. Raissa once said pokes wont have 2 moves broke reflect ( when from someone Smoke has been removed ). Only change Smoke for any bad fire atk, couse Magmortar looks nice.
6) Venusaur - it's in half Toxic pokemon. Why u don't want add for it Poison Gas a TM. Venusaur is forgotten pokemon, some of players use it but in Cloned Version. For me its still bad.
7) Espeon - come back Boombrust. It was one useful attack against dark pokemons ;3

#edit once more: its sadly about not possibility putting ref + sky att for example.

Venusaur has Poison/Grass type, but it is mainly a grass pokemon. Even according to bulbapedia you may notice it doesn't learn many poison moves.
Meganium got more hp + another heal in exchange, I honestly think it's totally fine. I guess you should try it out few times before making a complaint.

 

[Invictus]

5) Magmortar - it isn't a compaining, more a point of attention. It has Smokescreen at moveset and Brick Break as a TM. Raissa once said pokes wont have 2 moves broke reflect ( when from someone Smoke has been removed ). Only change Smoke for any bad fire atk, couse Magmortar looks nice.

I am know how Smokescreen works. My words were mistake, used them wrong. Sorry xD. I am talked about situation similar when Charizard lost Smokescreen

magmortar cant learn TM Reflect like zard, maybe for that

 

[koles]

I dont see problem to change smokescreen for other stun with similar size, but not remove it.

 

[Tsotss]

magmortar cant learn TM Reflect like zard, maybe for that

Typhlosion also can not learn Reflect and Smokescreen from it has been removed. In my opnion the reason of it is that it can learn Brick Break too ( or maybe becouse Fire Mantle haa been added ) and Typhlosion isn't pokemon to duel ( maybe some people use it but I don't think do its high amount of players ). I only wrote about smg what I have read

 

[huberto]

I would like to ask what was behind the idea of rebalance Noctowl, Jynx and Butterfree, all got 2nd stun replaced with dmg move (Extrasensory for Confusion in Noctowl, Icicle Shot for Ice punch in Jynx and Psychic for Confusion in Butterfree), was it combo of 2 stuns + ref and stun or 2 other stuns in tm learnset? If yes, you should be consistent with changes like this. Examples:

Porygon Z - Electroweb replaced with Pain Split, thats nice but still has Confusion + Super sonic + possible paralyse with Tri Attack in moves + Reflect and stun (Aerial Ace or Ice Beam) or double stun combo in TMs.

Venusaur - still have Sleep Powder + Stun Spore in moves and Reflect + Roar in TMs, maybe it wasn't nerfed because of only one stun move in TM's.

Aerodactyl - Rock polish + Scary face in moves and Reflect + Aerial Ace in TM's, similar story to Venusaur.

There are more pokes with such combo but they are still on rebalance list.

Pokemons after rebalance which still have 5 area moves:

Togekiss - Tornado, Fairy Stardust, Dazzling Gleam, Confusion, Fairy Blade

Honchcrow - Flatter, Tornado, Snarl, Knock Off, Huricane

Bronzong (joke pokemon) - Psychic, Confusion, Metal Sound, Extrasensory, Rain Dance + Protection


Pokemons that after rebalance are still a bit underpowered (in my modest opinion):

Altaria - Replaced Sing with Protection, this change for sure helps a lot to survive but I dont know why couldn't it be Protection + Sing.

Tropius - Whirlwind replaced with Air Blast. This change maybe is not that big on PVP but for leveling, especially at low level it changes a lot.

Cradily - replaced Stealth Rock with Sandstorm, not realy a big change, damage output is faster but lower, it's double edged change I would say. This pokemon still has no deffence or protection, no area stun in moves neither in TM's, just nothing to survive long enought for casting 3+ spells, unless is lucky.


To not be only critical I would like to point out possitive changes. New Meganium, Gyarados, Poliwrath, Dunsparce, Typhlosion, Gardevoir, Torterra, Mightyena, Parasect < realy well done (probably there are many more but I haven't checked every single rebalanced pokemon yet).

 

[Ashlan]

I was wondering why swampert isnt on the list, but he is already nerfed, so..?? There are other pokes that you forgot?

 

[Tamannine]

Hello Well I have a suggestion, in the last update of fairy Sylveon is a pure fairy tipe and not have more fairy atacks i dont know about rebalance but only its my opinion thx

 

[คłłuкค zσłdÿcк]

Recover? you're wrong. She have only Healarea.
Do you have a Blissey? If your blissey have Recover, Trade she with mine Blissey.
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[Ashlan]

Recover? you're wrong. She have only Healarea.
Do you have a Blissey? If your blissey have Recover, Trade she with mine Blissey.
¬¬

My bad miss, its been a long time since I had a blissey, aswell is pretty useful in duel and lvl, so IMO doesnt need changes.

 

[Tsotss]

Magnezone:
I thought about it and I noticed it can have new move and no others pokemons will have it. It will be special move for Magnezone.
This move will called Pulling and could be included to area move instead Volt Switch. As we know Magnezone has magnets on its body. This move will pull pokemons around it ( max 8 pokemons ) and deal 4k dmg for every pokemon which is around Magnezone. Volt Switch on 130 lvl deals 4.4k.
This move would be opposite of move Fake Out. I mean - Fake Out receding or enemy as far as it can and deal some DMG. Move Pulling will pull our enemies to Magnezone's body from afar as it can and will do DMG too. Hope is understanding.

Now about move Double Team. If u can change this name for Shreder Team ( I don't know the name exactly but long time ago this name was used in PA ) when Pokemon like Scizor turns into 3 Scizors ( with this true ) and left Double Team for pokemons which turn into 2 pokemons ( with this true ). For me word Double = 2 not 3.
Or let this move working for every pokemons not for some of them.

 

[Grayfoox]

Altaria - Replaced Sing with Protection, this change for sure helps a lot to survive but I dont know why couldn't it be Protection + Sing. .

Because Altaria can lear many atks with stun in TMs (Protection + Aerial Ace + Dragon rush + Sing) could be a deadly combo, so I think it's very nice now, also it can mega evolve

 

[คłłuкค zσłdÿcк]

Gengar > Remove Night Shadow and get Night Shade
Houndoom > Remove Fire Fang and get Roar
Why houndoom don't use dig? LOL
dig , is not that what the dogs do?

 

[Tsotss]

Its funny that bad pokemon (read Gengar) became worse. Night Shade was propably always and you changed is for target move (its nice) but why didnt you change for Nightmare/Dream Eater where is almost impossible hit both when Hypnosis is working. Dream Eater 35 sec, Hypnosis 35 sec, Nightmare 60sec. Lets choose what you want to hit. Looking on it that Gengar is bad I would like to suggest recome back Night Shade and exchange (saying once again) Dream Eater/Nightmare for that new move called Night Shadow or atleast Ghost Wind.. It won't be OP pokemon. It will be enough good for exp and duel (if somebody uses it, hard to see it ).

 

[Torment Xtreme]

Its funny that bad pokemon (read Gengar) became worse. Night Shade was propably always and you changed is for target move (its nice) but why didnt you change for Nightmare/Dream Eater where is almost impossible hit both when Hypnosis is working. Dream Eater 35 sec, Hypnosis 35 sec, Nightmare 60sec. Lets choose what you want to hit. Looking on it that Gengar is bad I would like to suggest recome back Night Shade and exchange (saying once again) Dream Eater/Nightmare for that new move called Night Shadow or atleast Ghost Wind.. It won't be OP pokemon. It will be enough good for exp and duel (if somebody uses it, hard to see it ).

I don't think it will ever have Night Shade + Hypnosis + invisibility + Reflect + Dark portal together again, is too much, but i've thought about a possible solution for Nightmare + Dream eater problem, later i'll ask if is possible

 

[huberto]

I don't think it will ever have Night Shade + Hypnosis + invisibility + Reflect + Dark portal together again, is too much, but i've thought about a possible solution for Nightmare + Dream eater problem, later i'll ask if is possible

Surely removing Night Shade was the easier way to nerf it but I hope you tested how good for leveling is new gengar, without TM's of course. I can't wait Alakazam nerf, Reflect + Restore + Hipnosis + Confusion + Blink makes him so good that everyone uses it, almost as common as previous Gengar.

 

[Torment Xtreme]

Surely removing Night Shade was the easier way to nerf it but I hope you tested how good for leveling is new gengar, without TM's of course. I can't wait Alakazam nerf, Reflect + Restore + Hipnosis + Confusion + Blink makes him so good that everyone uses it, almost as common as previous Gengar.

Alakazam is still on list, can't tell u changes but you may see them soon. And Gengar can use invisibility to hide from wild pokes and attack.

 

[Tsotss]

I don't think it will ever have Night Shade + Hypnosis + invisibility + Reflect + Dark portal together again, is too much, but i've thought about a possible solution for Nightmare + Dream eater problem, later i'll ask if is possible

And what's the problem with that? I could understand it if Gengar will be OP, but is it or was it? I don't think so. For me Night Shade is typical move for ghost pokemons and almost all the highest evo has it on game. Only Gourgeist doesn't have it, but it is understanable and Chandelure couse it has other area stun called Flatter. Combo of pokemons which have been rebalanced aren't too much for you ( I will show some examples ) ofc without Dark Portal ( it helps but still we can hit our enemies from afar so I don't think so is something powerful, only can avoid some stuns + area att, but not everytime couse it has CD )
1) Lapras - Sing + Sheer Cold + Reflect + Water Pulse/Ice Beam
2) Flygon - Protection + Sleep Talk + Aerial Ace + Mud Bomb
3) Porygon-Z - Confusion + Super Sonic + Reflect + Ice Beam/Aerial Ace + Teleport
4) Dusknoir - Night Shade + Invisibile + Disable(?) + Reflect + Ice Beam/Brick Break/Dark Pulse
5) Glaceon - Water Pulse + Protection + Sheer Cold + Ice Beam/Roar
6) Altaria - Sing + Protection + Aerial Ace + Dragon Rush
7) Typhlosion - Fire Mantle + Flame Charge + Roar + Brick Break/Dizzy Punch
8) Honchkrow - Flatter + Pursuit + Roar + Aerial Ace/Sky Attack/Fly Attack
9) Blaziken - Growl + Flare Blitz + Aerial Ace + Brick Break/Dizzy Punch
10) Bronzong - Confusion + Protection + Doom Desire + Tri Attack
11) Lickylicky - it hasn't any awesome moves but I write about it couse of CD's which it has + Super Sonic + Rest + Water Pulse + Brick Break
12) Infernape - Acrobatics + Fire Mantle + Pursuit + Brick Break/Dizzy Punch
13) Mr.Mime - Confusion + Heal + Blink + Reflect + Feint + smg other
14) Shiftry - Grass Pledge + Substitute + Growl + Brick Break + Dark Pulse
15) Glalie - Freeze Dry + Protection + Sheer Cold + Ice Beam

Ofc these some examples aren't any complaining, there are nice changes. I tried to show you some combos in rebalanced pokemons. Then tell me in Gengar situation is too much, becouse isn't. Why dont you first try remove possiblity using Dark Portal on duels, like in Gourgeist ( if I good remember it has Dark Portal but in duel we can't use that ). The best solution is remove area stun which sometimes is the best part of weak pokemons or protetion ( about Sableye ). More about Gengar I won't say. I hope you will do something again with it and change without REMOVING stun.


About Sableye. Still I don't understand why you remove Detect. Couse of power or smg like that? Remember IT HAS nice type which makes it awesome, but yes lets go removing protection move. It will be enough. Could I know you tried do something other with it? Sableye has nice type, but has poor DMG. Here I would like to see Detect again and remove smg other, maybe even Night Shade. Looking on it you could also remove Sweet Scent in Mawile's moveset becouse it also has wonderful type/moves/TM's, so? ( I won't say Scent should be removed, becouse shouldn't, its only an example ) Ofc ground/fire could defeat it but others?

 

[Jertusz]

Surely removing Night Shade was the easier way to nerf it but I hope you tested how good for leveling is new gengar, without TM's of course. I can't wait Alakazam nerf, Reflect + Restore + Hipnosis + Confusion + Blink makes him so good that everyone uses it, almost as common as previous Gengar.

Sadly alakazam it's good only in duel cuz his dmg isn't so high and hp is low (ye restore i know). Sure you can nerf him but when removing that ''combo" you should consider increasing his dmg a bit cuz right now it's hard to kill 3 venusaurs in one time. In my opinion mr mime is a bit too overpowered now, reflect+ healing wish(better than restore in my opinion)+confusion+his type+hp+dmg makes him a beast. Mime compared to Alakazam is much better. I'm not crying right now or smth but i think you should decrease a bit his dmg or change his healing skill for selfheal or smth so it wouldn't be so good.

 

[jona rocket]

They are waiting to nerf to gourgeist and Chandelure ? it is no secret that these two beasts pokes are right now so I save the arguments ...

 

[Grayfoox]

I was testing sylveon yesterday and I realized his atks are doing a poor damage (like 200 per hit) in misty terrain, is this correct?

Hunting elders with sylveon 130 (I know those aren't weak to fairy but 200 per hit is too much less)