Vespiquen

[jeanm5]

Vespiquen is very bad, both for duel and for up, she only has fell stinger and infestation in area, and yet they are very bad blows, my suggestion is, a skill swap like venomoth, an air pressure, whatever, but needs to be improved urgently please

 

[Dahe]

Vespiquen is very bad, both for duel and for up, she only has fell stinger and infestation in area, and yet they are very bad blows, my suggestion is, a skill swap like venomoth, an air pressure, whatever, but needs to be improved urgently please

I really find vespiqueen strong..

 

[jeanm5]

combee male is more, sad, but okay :/

 

[Tsotss]

Pokemons are supposed to have 2 Rain Dance-type move if I am not wrong. Vespiqueen doesn't have any in moveset, but can learn by TM 3 of them - Rain Dance/Snarl/Lunge.

The problem is when we put just 1 of them, it can not learn more couse of restriction. Is any way to change it or it is how you planned?

Thanks in advance for answer.

 

[Tsotss]

Pokemons are supposed to have 2 Rain Dance-type move if I am not wrong. Vespiqueen doesn't have any in moveset, but can learn by TM 3 of them - Rain Dance/Snarl/Lunge.

The problem is when we put just 1 of them, it can not learn more couse of restriction. Is any way to change it or it is how you planned?

Thanks in advance for answer.

Is possible to remove restriction? Or it is how should be?

 

[Zelricks]

Is possible to remove restriction? Or it is how should be?

Will remain like this, we are working in a new list of pokemon outdated to be rebalanced

 

[demzpacito]

Vespiquen only have 4 atks after evolution, Toxic, Wing Atk and 2 target. I wanted to suggest to decrease to lvl 50 one of its AoEs to help a bit exping, could be Tailwind or Swarm

 

[Tuca Strike]

I notice that I caught 36 combeeps in the process of making my combeep M final form, and its moveset looks very bad and most attacks are far from lvl 70 (which is very hard to get) so if you could check it for rebalance I think it deserves some boosts...

like u say on forum, on testinum, land of izi catch

 

[Tsotss]

Hello. Since thread Vesiquen exists I would like to suggest some things about it, as well about Combee male final form. To be honest they aren't so good to lvl up, especially after getting evolution from Combee primary form on both forms - male and female so decided to make suggestions about them once more:

First Vespiquen:

1) If is possible, remove restriction of Rain Dance formula. It doesn't have any on moveset (ok, I know it has Fell Stinger but it works in different way, so).
2) After evolving Combee into it, it is pretty hard to exp due of lack moves on 50lvl. As you can see on moveset, it isn't good. What I would like to suggest is decreasing lvls of moves:
* Swarm - to lvl 50
* Tailwind - to lvl 55/58.

IMO with these changes it would be much useful since it has good moveset, but at the beginning is hard. I know it shouldn't be easy, but still one more move on 50lvl and one more on 55lvl won't hurt anyone so much and would make this pokemon quite better.

Now Combee final form:

This pokemon is a bit worse for me than Vespiquen and would like to suggest a bit more things:
1) Remove restriction of Rain Dance formula (it can learn 2: Rain Dance and Lunge, but only 1 can be added). I know it has Fell Stinger in moveset, but reason as above (actually are pokes with Fell Stinger formula and they have possiblity of having 2 moves Rain Dance formula - hope I am clear here).
2) Sweet Scent - decrease to level 70 - Combee primary form has and can use it, then Combee final form should use it since 70.
3) Also from AoE it has just Fell Stinger and Bug Buzz - not so good tbh. I would leave these 2 moves but IMO 3rd AoE is necessary. Then I would like to suggest changing Furry Cutter/Attack Order for Spin Out/Steamroller/Cutter Dance/Tornado - it doesn't have any move of suggested in TMs learnest so won't be problem with extracting it.
4) If is not possible 3rd suggestion then I'd like to suggest exchanging Bug Buzz for any move said above so it would have still 2 big AoE moves on moveset.

Thanks in advance!

@edit: also if you could update their TMsets would be pretty awesome.

 

[Sting]

Hello. Since thread Vesiquen exists I would like to suggest some things about it, as well about Combee male final form. To be honest they aren't so good to lvl up, especially after getting evolution from Combee primary form on both forms - male and female so decided to make suggestions about them once more:

First Vespiquen:

1) If is possible, remove restriction of Rain Dance formula. It doesn't have any on moveset (ok, I know it has Fell Stinger but it works in different way, so).
2) After evolving Combee into it, it is pretty hard to exp due of lack moves on 50lvl. As you can see on moveset, it isn't good. What I would like to suggest is decreasing lvls of moves:
* Swarm - to lvl 50
* Tailwind - to lvl 55/58.

IMO with these changes it would be much useful since it has good moveset, but at the beginning is hard. I know it shouldn't be easy, but still one more move on 50lvl and one more on 55lvl won't hurt anyone so much and would make this pokemon quite better.

Now Combee final form:

This pokemon is a bit worse for me than Vespiquen and would like to suggest a bit more things:
1) Remove restriction of Rain Dance formula (it can learn 2: Rain Dance and Lunge, but only 1 can be added). I know it has Fell Stinger in moveset, but reason as above (actually are pokes with Fell Stinger formula and they have possiblity of having 2 moves Rain Dance formula - hope I am clear here).
2) Sweet Scent - decrease to level 70 - Combee primary form has and can use it, then Combee final form should use it since 70.
3) Also from AoE it has just Fell Stinger and Bug Buzz - not so good tbh. I would leave these 2 moves but IMO 3rd AoE is necessary. Then I would like to suggest changing Furry Cutter/Attack Order for Spin Out/Steamroller/Cutter Dance/Tornado - it doesn't have any move of suggested in TMs learnest so won't be problem with extracting it.
4) If is not possible 3rd suggestion then I'd like to suggest exchanging Bug Buzz for any move said above so it would have still 2 big AoE moves on moveset.

Thanks in advance!

@edit: also if you could update their TMsets would be pretty awesome.

i will change the lvls on skills, remove restriction, update combeef tms to match vespi ones and add to those 2 few flying aoes in tms i guess thats all for now

 

[jeanm5]

I saw ninjask so competitive in a duel, gave me hope for vespiquen too, I suggest these changes

P attack order
P defend order
m1 wing attack -----air slash
M2 toxic ---------------pollen puff or gunk shot
m3 attack order ----Block
m4 swarm
m5 pin missile
m6 power gem
m7 heal order
m8 infestation
m9 tail wind
m10 fell stinger

 

[stin stauer]

I saw ninjask so competitive in a duel, gave me hope for vespiquen too, I suggest these changes

P attack order
P defend order
m1 wing attack -----air slash
M2 toxic ---------------pollen puff or gunk shot
m3 attack order ----Block
m4 swarm
m5 pin missile
m6 power gem
m7 heal order
m8 infestation
m9 tail wind
m10 fell stinger

A competitive skill would be nice

 

[MestredoBCC]

I saw ninjask so competitive in a duel, gave me hope for vespiquen too, I suggest these changes

P attack order
P defend order
m1 wing attack -----air slash
M2 toxic ---------------pollen puff or gunk shot
m3 attack order ----Block
m4 swarm
m5 pin missile
m6 power gem
m7 heal order
m8 infestation
m9 tail wind
m10 fell stinger

I suggest Replace Swarm for Flutterby too

 

[Caxoxd1]

I saw ninjask so competitive in a duel, gave me hope for vespiquen too, I suggest these changes

P attack order
P defend order
m1 wing attack -----air slash
M2 toxic ---------------pollen puff or gunk shot
m3 attack order ----Block
m4 swarm
m5 pin missile
m6 power gem
m7 heal order
m8 infestation
m9 tail wind
m10 fell stinger

I agree with your suggestion,I think with these changes it would be stronger in pvp.

 

[stin stauer]

Bumpsss

 

[jeanm5]

Bump !!!

 

[Trafalgar Water Law]

Bump !!!

unless it will still get some review for rebalance team .. it already got some changes recently.

 

[stin stauer]

Not only vespiqueen, but also combee male, a review on them would be nice

 

[stin stauer]

I saw ninjask so competitive in a duel, gave me hope for vespiquen too, I suggest these changes

P attack order
P defend order
m1 wing attack -----air slash
M2 toxic ---------------pollen puff or gunk shot
m3 attack order ----Block
m4 swarm
m5 pin missile
m6 power gem
m7 heal order
m8 infestation
m9 tail wind
m10 fell stinger

bumppp