Pokemon Water/Ground( Seismitoad, Quagsire, Gastrodon, Whiscash, Swampert)

[Carlos Eduardo]

My original plan was to make the suggestion only for Semistoad, but I remembered that there are several other pokemon with the same type and they are all forgotten. And looking at the pokedex of all of them, they are very similar Pokemon in their moveset.
Starting with the frog!

Seismitoad

m1 - Acid
m2 - Venom Drench
m3 - Mud Spatter ---> Water Pulse (Toxic Coat)
m4 - Bounce
m5 - Water Spout
m6 - water Gun
m7 - Aqua Ring
m8 - Thousand Waves
m9 - Tectonic dance
m10 - Rain dance ---> Epicente, Sandblast

Shiny Seismitoad

m1 - Acid
m2 - Venom Drench
m3 - Mud Spatter ---> Quicksand || Soak || Rapid Flow (Toxic Coat)
m4 - Brick Break
m5 - Water Spout
m6 - Muddy Water
m7 - Aqua Ring
m8 - Thousand Waves
m9 - Tectonic dance
m10 - Rain dance ---> Epicente || Sandblast

My suggestion for him is to increase his earth-type attack power. As he has access to many poison-type moves, it might be interesting to add a poison-type stun or defence. About Toxic Coat, it makes sense, but it's a problematic suggestion.

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Quagsire

m1 - Tail Whip
m2 - Snipe Shot
m3 - Bubblebeam
m4 - Haze ---> Freeze Dry || Snowscape || Water Pulse || Soak || Quicksand
m5 - Mud
m6 - Earth Power
m7 - HydroCannon
m8 - Mud Bomb
m9 - Sand Force
m10 - Hydropump

Shiny Quagsire

m1 - Tail Whip
m2 - Snipe Shot
m3 - Bubblebeam
m4 - Haze ---> Freeze Dry || Snowscape || Water Pulse || Soak || Quicksand
m5 - Mud
m6 - Earth Power
m7 - After You
m8 - Mud Bomb ---> Earthquake || Magnitude || Thousand Waves || Fissure
m9 - Sand Force
m10 - Rain Dance

For Quagsire I thought I'd suggest another Aoe for damage, after all it only has 3. But its main negative point is that it doesn't have any area stun or defence. As he has access to many Ice-type moves (bulbapedia), my suggestion is to change Haze to an Ice-type stun or defence, but a water or ground stun would be great too.

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Gastrodon

m1 - Mud Slap
m2 - Harden ---> Water Pulse || Soak || Quicksand || Mud Spatter
m3 - Ice Beam
m4 - Mud Sport
m5 - Aqua Bolt
m6 - Water Shuriken
m7 - Recover
m8 - Earthquake
m9 - Muddy Water
m10 - Rain dance

The same idea for Quagsire goes well with Gastrodon, he needs an area stun, perhaps by changing Harden or Ice Beam.
ps: I think Gastrodon deserves a different moveset, between its West and East forms.

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Whiscash

m1 - Aqua Jet
m2 - Aqua tail
m3 - Earth Power ---> Water Tornado || Chiling Water || Bouncy Bubbles
m4 - Scald
m5 - Future Sight
m6 - Mud
m7 - Sand Force
m8 - Water Pulse
m9 - Substitute
m10 - Hydropump

He's fine, maybe just strengthening his Aoe Water movements?

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Swampert
m1 - Brick break
m2 - Water Pledge
m3 - Muddy water ---> Scorching sands || Magnitude || Tectonic dance || Fissure
m4 - Aqua Blast
m5 - Water Spout
m6 - Snipe Shot
m7 - Sand Force
m8 - Protect
m9 - Hydropump
m10 - Eartquake

Mega Swampert
m1 - Brick break
m2 - Water Pledge
m3 - Muddy water ---> Scorching sands || Magnitude || Tectonic dance || Fissure
m4 - Aqua Blast
m5 - Water Spout
m6 - Ice Ball
m7 - Sand Force
m8 - Protect
m9 - Water tornado
m10 - Thousand waves

I believe that Swampert doesn't even need to be mentioned among all these Pokemon, but since I made a suggestion for everyone who has this type (Water/Ground). A small improvement for him would also be welcome!

 

[Tsotss]

To be honest (kind of personal thing) - I like Seismitoad the way it is. Rain Dance is realy nice with Hydration ability.

Also about Swampert - I wouldnt change Water Pledge. Its one stun in moveset, quite good and IMO it helps a lot.

Just a humble opinion about 2 pokes.

Rest depends of tests (however changing dmg spell into stun dmg spell while it has at least one on moveset can be hard - depends of TMs stun put in pokemons on servers).

 

[Carlos Eduardo]

To be honest (kind of personal thing) - I like Seismitoad the way it is. Rain Dance is realy nice with Hydration ability.

Also about Swampert - I wouldnt change Water Pledge. Its one stun in moveset, quite good and IMO it helps a lot.

Just a humble opinion about 2 pokes.

Rest depends of tests (however changing dmg spell into stun dmg spell while it has at least one on moveset can be hard - depends of TMs stun put in pokemons on servers).

about Water Pledge, I really didn't remember that it had a stun effect, I'll change it. Thank you

 

[Sylwonek]

Idk in my opinion sh quag is in good place if we take his price and rarity not too strong not too weak i like him as a ground i dont think he need any rebalance only sprite rebalance to look more gay

 

[Carlos Eduardo]

Idk in my opinion sh quag is in good place if we take his price and rarity not too strong not too weak i like him as a ground i dont think he need any rebalance only sprite rebalance to look more gay

This time I agree with you, it's very pretty hehehe. So let it arrive in style, pink and stronger.

 

[Carlos Eduardo]

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