Rebalance discussions

[Makarno.-]

Post here your rebalance suggestion/discussion WITH ARGUMENTS. Any further change that we agree will be implemented after christmas.

Keep in mind that arguments like "This pokemon is expensive" or "this pokemon is rare" will not be only ignored, but also DELETED from this thread.



IMPORTANT: After rebalance was implemented, we still have done some small changes. Please report here any kind of OPness or under power in any pokemon, WITH SOLID ARGUMENTS. We're reading all of them and insta-testing on TS.




Pokemons that are still on revision:

1. Ambipom [tested]
2. Kingdra [tested]
3. Gallade [tested]
4. Metagross [tested]
5. Magnezone [tested]
6. Granbull [tested]
7. Lickilicky [tested]
8. Steelix [tested]
9. Slowking [tested]
10. Rhyperior [tested]
11. Tyranitar [tested]
12. Blissey [tested]
13. Delibird [tested]
14. Hypno
15. Tentacruel [tested]
16. Venomoth [tested]
17. Kabutops [tested]
18. Dragonite [tested]
19. Azumaril (wild) [tested]
20. Crystal Onix(wild)
21. Elder Charizard (wild)

 

[kenan321]

Add :tri atk to gallade and leaf blade remove vaccum its useless and 0 dmg ,
Buff garde , nerf kindra heal , NERF BLISSEY remove 1 heal add charm because blissey is now most op poke in game

 

[Obreviate]

Add :tri atk to gallade and leaf blade remove vaccum its useless and 0 dmg ,
Buff garde , nerf kindra heal , NERF BLISSEY remove 1 heal add charm because blissey is now most op poke in game

Add reflect to gallade, trick room ... what do you think? lol?

 

[Jose Cuervo]

blissey has the same healing moves as wyggly / clefa, healing wish doesnt heal blissey anymore. And yeah gallade needs a buff

 

[kenan321]

Gallade is now useless kadabra is better then gallade u cant compare Gallade with alakazam or pory2 ... I just say true i don't have gallade but i just giving my opinion..

 

[Torment Xtreme]

Gallade is now useless kadabra is better then gallade u cant compare Gallade with alakazam or pory2 ... I just say true i don't have gallade but i just giving my opinion..

Be serious with your arguments please, you are saying nonsenses, and ofc you can't compare them, because those pokes has differents weakness.

 

[TheLegacy]

Cloned Hypno: i think at lvl 130 it have over 15.5-16k hp now that confusion & hypnosis cant be used as a combo, cuz is not enough time, im obliged to use nightmare too fast and sometimes i cant do nightmare.

Moves:
Psy Pulse - m1 - level 50 - 10s
Psybeam - m2 - level 50 - 15s <-- wtf? belive me in a real pvp i will never have any chance to use this move, totally useless.
Psychic - m3 - level 50 - 15s
Confusion - m4 - level 50 - 30s
Calm Mind - m5 - level 52 - 30s <-- totally useless, if i use it in a pvp, it will only make me have less time to attack and the % this increase is a shit.
Psyshock - m6 - level 50 - 20s
Hypnosis - m7 - level 55 - 35s <-- this really need to have 1-2 seconds more , without a combo this pokemon sucks.
Future Sight - m8 - level 58 - 25s
Nightmare - m9 - level 55 - 40s
Trick Room - m10 - level 65 - 40s <-- i dont know if its me , but pory2 trick room hit even more than this cloned.

Why C hypno needs a heal move back? A poliwrath without reflect turn him in red very easy, since im obliged to use calm mind to kill a poliwrath with 3 moves, if i try to do that, poliwrath will probably kill me, so i need to use over 4-5 psychi moves, but hypno cant heal, what happen? a poliwrath with reflect surely kills me.
Also there are many moves like mega horn, horn attack , signal beam that deal a big damage on it, nidoking with stuns can kill me very fast -.- and i can compare duels against everything, c hypno only kills pokes fight like primeape, about other elements its an easy target, i invite you to test it against the most common pokes, the % c hypno have to win is less than 35% even with really good tms to protect him like reflect and tri ttack.
also you added too much cd on his attack, theres a time when i use all moves, i can only repeat psy pulse, my c hypno dies in prom with 3-4 moves from any pokemon type, how bad is it that i can know how much time it can be alive in a real pvp.
It wont be OP if you add heal pulse for example, it will at least be usefull, right now i cant use it in pvp , it sucks bro.
All other psychic pokes heal, why hypno isnt? also the damage '_' too poor >.<

 

[Makarno.-]

Cloned Hypno: i think at lvl 130 it have over 15.5-16k hp now that confusion & hypnosis cant be used as a combo, cuz is not enough time, im obliged to use nightmare too fast and sometimes i cant do nightmare.

Moves:
Psy Pulse - m1 - level 50 - 10s
Psybeam - m2 - level 50 - 15s <-- wtf? belive me in a real pvp i will never have any chance to use this move, totally useless.
Psychic - m3 - level 50 - 15s
Confusion - m4 - level 50 - 30s
Calm Mind - m5 - level 52 - 30s <-- totally useless, if i use it in a pvp, it will only make me have less time to attack and the % this increase is a shit.
Psyshock - m6 - level 50 - 20s
Hypnosis - m7 - level 55 - 35s <-- this really need to have 1-2 seconds more , without a combo this pokemon sucks.
Future Sight - m8 - level 58 - 25s
Nightmare - m9 - level 55 - 40s
Trick Room - m10 - level 65 - 40s <-- i dont know if its me , but pory2 trick room hit even more than this cloned.

Why C hypno needs a heal move back? A poliwrath without reflect turn him in red very easy, since im obliged to use calm mind to kill a poliwrath with 3 moves, if i try to do that, poliwrath will probably kill me, so i need to use over 4-5 psychi moves, but hypno cant heal, what happen? a poliwrath with reflect surely kills me.
Also there are many moves like mega horn, horn attack , signal beam that deal a big damage on it, nidoking with stuns can kill me very fast -.- and i can compare duels against everything, c hypno only kills pokes fight like primeape, about other elements its an easy target, i invite you to test it against the most common pokes, the % c hypno have to win is less than 35% even with really good tms to protect him like reflect and tri ttack.
also you added too much cd on his attack, theres a time when i use all moves, i can only repeat psy pulse, my c hypno dies in prom with 3-4 moves from any pokemon type, how bad is it that i can know how much time it can be alive in a real pvp.
It wont be OP if you add heal pulse for example, it will at least be usefull, right now i cant use it in pvp , it sucks bro.
All other psychic pokes heal, why hypno isnt? also the damage '_' too poor >.<

You are right, but don't talk about a Cloned Hypno but Hypno. Cloned is just a stronger version.
We did a mistake with Hypno, since we had it with heal in TS and the current HP it has now. After several tests it was OP so we decided to remove heal, but forgot to add HP back. It will be boosted in HP again, but don't expect it to be more than 2k.

 

[Draco In Pearl]

The "Roost" Need More % in This Moment is 25% Of Heal can add a little more or Reduce the cooldown.



"Roost" cooldown = 45sg <----- Bad 25% Of Heal Reduce cooldown To 35sg.

"Morning Sun" cooldown = 50sg <----- Good 40% Of Heal.

"Moonlight" cooldown = 50sg <----- Good 40% Of Heal.

 

[TheLegacy]

Nidoking & Nidoqueen

Before this rebalance they were able to kill gengars (which are weak against ground) now that you removed bite, sucker punch & night slash, its imposible, also the new earth power hit less, other moves like sandstorm , brine, for example (hit 5-7k in 2x), why this move, being stronger and a main move, cant deal a decent damage?
I have both pokes with reflect, blizzard and water, and i cant kill c gengar with or without reflect, one more time, im obliged to use tm dark pulse on them, so ill have a chance to kill gengar which does invisible frecuently.

Suggestion is : Increase 2k +damage in earth power ( or make it ramdom like magnitude)
-Add sandtomb or Crusher stomp for both pokemons, they should rape gengars.

you can remove double kick or poison sting, they are useless.

 

[Kamijou Touma]

Togekiss
I think his aura sphere has a very low damage for 30 of cd
Togekiss 130 Neutral Dmg of Aura Sphere
18:54 Your Togekiss deals 1023 damage to a Kingler.

Metagross
it would be good idea add the tm psycho cut..
good for lvl, and necessary because has 2 psy attacks(psyshock and psychic)

 

[Nefertiti]

Blissey need an urgent change, any pokemon can knock Blissey heldrera only heals 5k, recover 50% of its life, is mu weak, I think that should turn up all the healing and wish again as before

 

[Skyrus]

Blissey need an urgent change, any pokemon can knock Blissey heldrera only heals 5k, recover 50% of its life, is mu weak, I think that should turn up all the healing and wish again as before

Blissey had to much heal... Maybe solve this by healing wish on herself but not change back to old heals.

 

[Milenared]

add ''Rock Wrecker'' Rhyperior since it is their main movement
I know it can be difficult to create a new move
is just one more idea to improve pokemon

 

[Clen]

Earthquake Test

Milktang lvl 63

and as the earthquake, the tms and attacks such as Brick Break, insinerate, Etc..... Need Magnitude damage balance, the difference in which you learn and level 130

This could check

Dugtrio << slow speed

Hallowen Dugtrio << Normal Speed

 

[Torment Xtreme]

This could check

Dugtrio << slow speed

Hallowen Dugtrio << Normal Speed

Thanks, we forgot Halloween dugtrio's speed.

About Earthquakes, pokes that can learn TM Earthquake but are weak to fire/rock got nerf, because is a problem if a Cloned Charizard (as example) hit 1.5k x 6 against a rock pokemon (this can make Charizard OP), the same goes for pokemons that learn Brick break & Rock blast.

 

[Makarno.-]

Earthquake Test

and as the earthquake, the tms and attacks such as Brick Break, insinerate, Etc..... Need Magnitude damage balance, the difference in which you learn and level 130

This could check

Dugtrio << slow speed

Hallowen Dugtrio << Normal Speed

First of all, you didnt compare Earthquakes in same level. Also you all should know that we have nerfed many TM damage in some pokemons to avoid any kind of OPness (For example, Pinsir, Charizard and Togekiss have lower Earthquake damage than others, because they are weak to Rock type pokemons. Same applies for Poison pokemons learning Dark Pulse, Crunch or Pursuit, and all of these situations).

The speed on both dugtrios will be fixed.

 

[Zecao]

Try boost meteor mash , now its better but his damage isnt the best..
Auroaphere too, increase a bit his damage
All slashes.. will be better like; night slash, air slash, slash, attack x3 of same type..

What about metagross moves?
Iron head

 

[Cesittos]

I think Hypno is the worst pokemon now after update.
Someone already explained that and I agree 100%. At least it should have dream eater, cause it has lost 2 healing moves.

Another point: INGRAIN.
Why the hell only Sunflora got that move? I guess that's an important point to reconsider.

 

[Torment Xtreme]

Another point: INGRAIN.
Why the hell only Sunflora got that move? I guess that's an important point to reconsider.

Is better if you give us an argument about why should be added to others pokes.