Hi everybody,
You may be wondering what is the purpose of this thread, so, I'm gonna try to prepare, aware all of you for the changes we decided on, so I (we?) hope reduce the cry of some people to minimum. I'd wish not to see any complains here as it's really not that easy and simple and there were many obstacles (like Hohenheim's retirement, lack of time, small fights, ignore mode, bugs we couldn't fix [guess who can], etc), but the rebalance is finally done. The rebalance is going to be implemented in some part is based on the rebalance list I made with Makarno, but there still were many changes. To be honest, if Khan didn't appear I'm afraid rebalance would be totally different or not done/implemented at all. He's the one who was implementing changes at TS, made new moves (on my command hihi), remade the old ones. Big thanks for Khan.
We rebalanced all of the Pokemon we have in game, like basic forms, first evolutions and second as well. For example Pokemon like Bulbasaur and Ivysaur mostly gonna have faster cooldowns, but Venusaur gonna have changed damage, cooldowns and move set. We rebalanced few things, like:
- general Pokemon rebalance (move set, damage, cooldown)
- Pokemon speed
- TMs (damage, cooldown, Pokemon tm learn set)
- created new moves
- remade old moves (animation, effect)
- remade conditions (burn [different moves has different X turns and deals Y damage], poison [different moves has different X turns and deals Y damage], flinch = 2s drunk, freeze/frozen solid - what do you prefer, added paralyze effect to some other moves, low accuracy = 5s [if I'm correct] blind condition)
I'd also explain some rules we were trying to follow.
- if Pokemon X has faster cooldown than Pokemon Y in m1 that means Pokemon X deals less damage
- 10 moves rule - we tried to make each Pokemon have 10 moves. I guess many of you gonna cry now that we took away 1 move from your Pokemon, but try to understand the purpose of that rule. Cooldown bars always gonna show you 12 moves = 10 moves + 2 TMs, so that eliminates the problem with 12+ cooldown bars. If Pokemon has 10 moves it may have passive also. Some Pokemon doesn't have 10 moves, but it's due to their general power, abilities, resistances, moves and stuff like that. Then please don't complain if X Pokemon has 8-9 moves, but has 2 passive moves.
Firstly I will write all the new moves and their purpose:
Seed bomb - grass type Egg Bomb
Leaf Tornado - gras type Whirlpool
Super Power - fighting type Hydropump
Outrage - dragon type similar to Earth Power
Incinerate - fire type Earthquake
U Turn - bug type Pursuit
Signal Beam - bug type Aurora Beam
Flame Charge - fire type Aerial Ace
Wild Charge/Volt Tackle - electric type Pursuit
Hail - ice type Electric Storm
Mach Punch - fighting type Pursuit
Drain Punch - fighting type Absorb
Flash Cannon - steel type Hyper Beam
Silver Wind - bug type Whirlpool
Struggle Bug - bug type Thunder
Rock Tomb - rock type Stomp x2
Drill Run - ground type Thunder Bolt
Echoed Voice - normal type Earth Power
Gastro Acid - poison type Lava Counter
Sludge Wave - poison type Dragon Breath
Electroball - electric type Fireball
Bone Rush - ground type Fire Blast
Hi Jump Kick - fighting type Fly Attack
Rolling Kick - fighting type Whirlpool
Underwater - water type Underground
Dragon Rush - dragon type Aerial Ace
Eruption - fire type Earth Power
Double Kick - Mega Kick x2
Scald - Water Gun with water and fire type damage, causes burn
Magnitude - ground type Electric Storm
Brave Bird - flying type Stored Power
Ingrain - grass type Healing Wish
Helping Hand - area damage boost (opposite to Helping Hand)
Grass Knot - grass type Lava Counter
Magnet Rise - electric type Protection
Bounce - another flying type Fly Attack
Acid Armor - poison type Iron Defense
Acid Spray - poison type Bubble Blast
Focus Blast - fighting type Fire Blast
Double Team - renamed Shredder Team, creates one copy, only Scyther/Scizor's Double Team makes two copies
Twineedle - bug type Double Slap
Mirror Shot - steel type Egg Bomb
Recover - heals 50%
Kinesis - another Mind Boost
I hope those are all new moves, please don't beat me if I forget any.
We also remade some old moves, like:
Bullet Seed - works now like Shadow Sneak
Doom Desire - removed charge effect, changed area, removed stun effect
Stickmerang, Stickslash - now it gonna be flying type move
Ground Chop, Skull Bash - now it gonna be 3 sqm wave attack
Slash - gonna work the same way as Wing Attack
Dream Eater - damage is gonna be x2
Toxic Spikes, Overheat - now they gonna have Thunder's animation
Rapid Spin - changed from passive into active
Protection - now it gonna last 7s
Sludge Rain - it gonna deal Yx~1,100 damage at 130 lvl (normal move, TM)
Mimic Wall - changed to 3 sqm, but increased cooldown
DynamicPunch - removed stun
Cross Poison - changed into X-Scissor animation
Frenzy Plant - changed into Psyfusion
Also some moves have animation/effect changed, I honestly forgot all of them, but I remember Mega Punch, Fissure, Sandstorm.
About TMs I can say:
Tm01 sheer cold
Added to: poliwhirl, poliwrath, gyarados, lanturn, quagsire, slowking, qwilfish, piloswine, corsola, kingdra
Tm02 dragon claw
Added to: parasect, persian, golduck, scyther, scizor
Tm03 water pulse
Added to: raticate, furret, marill, azumarill
Tm04 psycho cut
Added to: sandslash, parasect, farfetch’d, scyther, kabutops, scizor
Tm05 roar
Added to: ninetales, dodrio
Tm06 toxic
Added to: haunter, gengar
Tm07 draco meteor
Added to: lapras, tyranitar
Tm08 lava plume
Added to: charmeleon, quilava, combusken
Tm09 bullet seed
Added to: gloom, weepinbell, exeggcute, forretress
Tm10 rock blast
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking, primeape, machamp, graveler, kangaskhan
Tm11 pursuit
Added to: pidgeot, ninetales, arcanine, scyther, ledian, crobat, gligar, scizor, skarmory
Tm12 bug buzz
Added to: shuckle
Tm13 ice beam
Added to: corsola, octillery, mantine
Tm14 blizzard
Added to: poliwrath, jynx, sneasel, corsola, octillery
Tm15 hyper beam
Added to: butterfree, beedrill, clefable, wigglytuff, parasect, venomoth, arcanine, poliwrath, victreebel, tentacruel, slowbro, muk, kingler, exeggutor, weezing, seaking, omastar, azumarill, sudowoodo, sunflora, piloswine, mantine, skarmory, houndoom, kingdra, donphan, stantler
Tm16 ancient power
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking, clefable, kangaskhan, gyarados, dragonite
Tm19 giga drain
Added to: pinsir, shuckle, heracross
Tm21 fly attack
Added to: butterfree, beedrill, venomoth, ledian, jumpluff, gligar, heracross
Tm22 solar beam
Added to: espeon
Tm23 meteor mash
Added to: charizard, blastoise, golem, gengar, rhydon, pinsir, granbull, heracross, tyranitar, blaziken
Tm24 thunder bolt
Added to: alakazam, hypno
Tm26 earthquake
Added to: primeape, poliwrath, kangaskhan
Tm27 dark pulse
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking
Tm28 x-scissor
Added to: kabutops
Tm29 psychic
Added to: ninetales, dragonite, gallade
Tm35 flamethrower
Added to: machamp, gyarados, steelix, octillery, kingdra, blaziken
Tm36 sludge rain
Added to: venomoth, houndoom
Tm37 sandstorm
Added to: crobat
Tm38 fire blast
Added to: gyarados
Tm41 sky uppercut
Added to: ledian, granbull
Tm43 dragon pulse
Added to: aerodactyl
Well, I think that's all what I wanted to say. If you have any question about the rebalance I believe me and Khan will try to answer that as best as we can.
Hope you like the changes.
You may be wondering what is the purpose of this thread, so, I'm gonna try to prepare, aware all of you for the changes we decided on, so I (we?) hope reduce the cry of some people to minimum. I'd wish not to see any complains here as it's really not that easy and simple and there were many obstacles (like Hohenheim's retirement, lack of time, small fights, ignore mode, bugs we couldn't fix [guess who can], etc), but the rebalance is finally done. The rebalance is going to be implemented in some part is based on the rebalance list I made with Makarno, but there still were many changes. To be honest, if Khan didn't appear I'm afraid rebalance would be totally different or not done/implemented at all. He's the one who was implementing changes at TS, made new moves (on my command hihi), remade the old ones. Big thanks for Khan.
We rebalanced all of the Pokemon we have in game, like basic forms, first evolutions and second as well. For example Pokemon like Bulbasaur and Ivysaur mostly gonna have faster cooldowns, but Venusaur gonna have changed damage, cooldowns and move set. We rebalanced few things, like:
- general Pokemon rebalance (move set, damage, cooldown)
- Pokemon speed
- TMs (damage, cooldown, Pokemon tm learn set)
- created new moves
- remade old moves (animation, effect)
- remade conditions (burn [different moves has different X turns and deals Y damage], poison [different moves has different X turns and deals Y damage], flinch = 2s drunk, freeze/frozen solid - what do you prefer, added paralyze effect to some other moves, low accuracy = 5s [if I'm correct] blind condition)
I'd also explain some rules we were trying to follow.
- if Pokemon X has faster cooldown than Pokemon Y in m1 that means Pokemon X deals less damage
- 10 moves rule - we tried to make each Pokemon have 10 moves. I guess many of you gonna cry now that we took away 1 move from your Pokemon, but try to understand the purpose of that rule. Cooldown bars always gonna show you 12 moves = 10 moves + 2 TMs, so that eliminates the problem with 12+ cooldown bars. If Pokemon has 10 moves it may have passive also. Some Pokemon doesn't have 10 moves, but it's due to their general power, abilities, resistances, moves and stuff like that. Then please don't complain if X Pokemon has 8-9 moves, but has 2 passive moves.
Firstly I will write all the new moves and their purpose:
Seed bomb - grass type Egg Bomb
Leaf Tornado - gras type Whirlpool
Super Power - fighting type Hydropump
Outrage - dragon type similar to Earth Power
Incinerate - fire type Earthquake
U Turn - bug type Pursuit
Signal Beam - bug type Aurora Beam
Flame Charge - fire type Aerial Ace
Wild Charge/Volt Tackle - electric type Pursuit
Hail - ice type Electric Storm
Mach Punch - fighting type Pursuit
Drain Punch - fighting type Absorb
Flash Cannon - steel type Hyper Beam
Silver Wind - bug type Whirlpool
Struggle Bug - bug type Thunder
Rock Tomb - rock type Stomp x2
Drill Run - ground type Thunder Bolt
Echoed Voice - normal type Earth Power
Gastro Acid - poison type Lava Counter
Sludge Wave - poison type Dragon Breath
Electroball - electric type Fireball
Bone Rush - ground type Fire Blast
Hi Jump Kick - fighting type Fly Attack
Rolling Kick - fighting type Whirlpool
Underwater - water type Underground
Dragon Rush - dragon type Aerial Ace
Eruption - fire type Earth Power
Double Kick - Mega Kick x2
Scald - Water Gun with water and fire type damage, causes burn
Magnitude - ground type Electric Storm
Brave Bird - flying type Stored Power
Ingrain - grass type Healing Wish
Helping Hand - area damage boost (opposite to Helping Hand)
Grass Knot - grass type Lava Counter
Magnet Rise - electric type Protection
Bounce - another flying type Fly Attack
Acid Armor - poison type Iron Defense
Acid Spray - poison type Bubble Blast
Focus Blast - fighting type Fire Blast
Double Team - renamed Shredder Team, creates one copy, only Scyther/Scizor's Double Team makes two copies
Twineedle - bug type Double Slap
Mirror Shot - steel type Egg Bomb
Recover - heals 50%
Kinesis - another Mind Boost
I hope those are all new moves, please don't beat me if I forget any.
We also remade some old moves, like:
Bullet Seed - works now like Shadow Sneak
Doom Desire - removed charge effect, changed area, removed stun effect
Stickmerang, Stickslash - now it gonna be flying type move
Ground Chop, Skull Bash - now it gonna be 3 sqm wave attack
Slash - gonna work the same way as Wing Attack
Dream Eater - damage is gonna be x2
Toxic Spikes, Overheat - now they gonna have Thunder's animation
Rapid Spin - changed from passive into active
Protection - now it gonna last 7s
Sludge Rain - it gonna deal Yx~1,100 damage at 130 lvl (normal move, TM)
Mimic Wall - changed to 3 sqm, but increased cooldown
DynamicPunch - removed stun
Cross Poison - changed into X-Scissor animation
Frenzy Plant - changed into Psyfusion
Also some moves have animation/effect changed, I honestly forgot all of them, but I remember Mega Punch, Fissure, Sandstorm.
About TMs I can say:
Tm01 sheer cold
Added to: poliwhirl, poliwrath, gyarados, lanturn, quagsire, slowking, qwilfish, piloswine, corsola, kingdra
Tm02 dragon claw
Added to: parasect, persian, golduck, scyther, scizor
Tm03 water pulse
Added to: raticate, furret, marill, azumarill
Tm04 psycho cut
Added to: sandslash, parasect, farfetch’d, scyther, kabutops, scizor
Tm05 roar
Added to: ninetales, dodrio
Tm06 toxic
Added to: haunter, gengar
Tm07 draco meteor
Added to: lapras, tyranitar
Tm08 lava plume
Added to: charmeleon, quilava, combusken
Tm09 bullet seed
Added to: gloom, weepinbell, exeggcute, forretress
Tm10 rock blast
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking, primeape, machamp, graveler, kangaskhan
Tm11 pursuit
Added to: pidgeot, ninetales, arcanine, scyther, ledian, crobat, gligar, scizor, skarmory
Tm12 bug buzz
Added to: shuckle
Tm13 ice beam
Added to: corsola, octillery, mantine
Tm14 blizzard
Added to: poliwrath, jynx, sneasel, corsola, octillery
Tm15 hyper beam
Added to: butterfree, beedrill, clefable, wigglytuff, parasect, venomoth, arcanine, poliwrath, victreebel, tentacruel, slowbro, muk, kingler, exeggutor, weezing, seaking, omastar, azumarill, sudowoodo, sunflora, piloswine, mantine, skarmory, houndoom, kingdra, donphan, stantler
Tm16 ancient power
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking, clefable, kangaskhan, gyarados, dragonite
Tm19 giga drain
Added to: pinsir, shuckle, heracross
Tm21 fly attack
Added to: butterfree, beedrill, venomoth, ledian, jumpluff, gligar, heracross
Tm22 solar beam
Added to: espeon
Tm23 meteor mash
Added to: charizard, blastoise, golem, gengar, rhydon, pinsir, granbull, heracross, tyranitar, blaziken
Tm24 thunder bolt
Added to: alakazam, hypno
Tm26 earthquake
Added to: primeape, poliwrath, kangaskhan
Tm27 dark pulse
Added to: nidoqueen, nidoking
Tm28 x-scissor
Added to: kabutops
Tm29 psychic
Added to: ninetales, dragonite, gallade
Tm35 flamethrower
Added to: machamp, gyarados, steelix, octillery, kingdra, blaziken
Tm36 sludge rain
Added to: venomoth, houndoom
Tm37 sandstorm
Added to: crobat
Tm38 fire blast
Added to: gyarados
Tm41 sky uppercut
Added to: ledian, granbull
Tm43 dragon pulse
Added to: aerodactyl
Well, I think that's all what I wanted to say. If you have any question about the rebalance I believe me and Khan will try to answer that as best as we can.
Hope you like the changes.
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