Mantine

[Kappa Prince]

Hi, i think that mantine deserve to refresh a bit its moveset. Here are my propositions:

Actual Movseset
m1-> Bubblebeam >15s
m2-> Underwater >50s
m3-> Air Blast>30s
m4-> Aqua Ring >50s
m5-> Sky Drop >15s
m6-> Air Slash >10s
m7-> Aqua Blast>20s
m8-> Fascade>40s
m9-> Bullet Seed >50s
m10->Water Sport >45s

New One:
m1-> Bubblebeam >10s
m2-> Underwater >50s
m3-> Air Blast >20s
m4-> Aqua Ring >50s
m5-> Sky Drop >15s
m6-> Wing Attack >15s
m7-> Aqua Blast>20s
m8-> Fascade>40s
m9-> Air Pressure >40s
m10->Water Pulse >45s


Why mantine needs changes? My opinion:
Mantine is usefull pokemon, probably only one who can surf and fly at once. But its a bit sad, that its moveset is just under decent level.
Mantine have two weakness including rock pokemons, which are natural exp for water ones, also have not protection move. Without aoe stun, its too easy to kill by wild pokemons.
Mantine have not any stun move, its why i changed water sport to water pulse.
Bullet Seed is really nice move, but doesnt match to mantine, also we have many good or even very good water pokes. Playable flying are maybe 3, so its why i decided to make him more flying, less water.
Of course, if you have other ideas how to rebuild mantine, write them right here, in this thread.

 

[Syntek]

So you are writing that a non weak move that is Bubblebeam should be considered as weak move, and change it to 10s? That doesn't have any sense.

I agree maybe just in the wing attack, since air slash it has high percentage to fail.

And really, removing Bullet Seed? It's like you remove Confusion from Alakazam, or Invisibilty from Gengar. If you want Air Pressure, you have the option as TM. I'm sorry bro, but your suggestions are somehow bad.

 

[Tsotss]

I was thinking about Mantine too. Also I can not agree with removing Bullet Seed. Its the best part of it, deals DMG to everything. Moreover it doesn't have any stun in moveset, but can learn just one by TM couse of restriction. Going further. Adding Water Pulse isn't a good idea, cus many players put it as a TM. Prefer to change Water Sport for Water Pledge (what has Floatzel and it is stun).
Something about protection - of course it isn't pure protection but has kind of it what is Underwater (just let us avoid some moves for some second).

Let me show you all my suggestion of its moveset:

m1-> Bubblebeam > 15sec
m2-> Sky Attack > 50sec
m3-> Air Blast > 30sec
m4-> Aqua Ring > 50sec
m5-> Sky Drop > 15sec
m6-> Wing Attack > 10sec
m7-> Aqua Blast> 20sec
m8-> Fascade > 40sec
m9-> Bullet Seed > 45sec
m10->Water Pledge > 35sec

Changing:
Underwater for Sky Attack - the same aspect (kind of protection), but this change could improve its flying part, cus it works differently than Underwater.
Air Slash for Wing Attack - better during fight "hand to hand"
Water Sport for Water Pledge - to give its additional stun and leave TM learnest how is it now.

In my opinion this moveset with combination of TMs can be realy good.

 

[Tsotss]

Bump it.