Greninja,Shiny Greninja and Ash Greninja

[MestredoBCC]

Greninja

Passive - Swift
m1 - Snatch
m2 - Haze -> Muddy Water, Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Shadow Sneak
m5 - Water Pulse
m6 - Brutal Swing
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion
m9 - Water Sport
m10 - Hydropump

Greninja need a little improvement, add new AOE will help

Shiny Greninja

Passive - Swift
m1 - Thief
m2 - Haze -> Muddy Water, Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Shadow Sneak
m5 - Water Pulse
m6 - Phantom Force
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion
m9 - Foam Burst
m10 - Hydropump

Shiny Greninja need a little improvement, add new AOE will help

Ash Greninja

Passive Shadow Sneak -> Elusion
m1 - Have
m2 - Aerial Ace
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Gunk Shot -> Muddy Water or Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m5 - Foul Play -> Fling
m6 - Switcheroo
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion -> Shadow Sneak or other move 1vs1
m9 - Bouncy Bubbles
m10 - Hydropump

Ash Greninja need some changes, other AOE will help. Other idea is change Elusion for passive and add a good stunning for him.

 

[Albuquerque]

I don't think remove Haze would be a good idea. Greninja and their versions are more used for duels and its helps a lot, cuz its the only counter skill to agains his weakness. Maybe change another move instead of Haze.