Mega Evolutions (Review Suggestion)

[Cesittos]

Hi guys! I was checking all MEGAS evolutions 1 by 1 and realized huge diference between em.

Let me explain:

I listed all mega evolutions I remembered. Also asked for players help on ENG GLOBAL/HELP Channels.

We listed the Megas below as available for players. (Event or Not) I hope I did not forget any.

So I checked each move on Pokedex. When the pokemon is Normal and evolved on Mega form.

How many moves do you think each Pokemon change when evolved? I have the answer:

Mega Abomasnow / Garchomp / Metagross: 2 new moves
Mega Blazinken / Swampert / Diance: 3 new moves
Mega Altaria / Mawille / Absol: 4 new moves
Mega Blastoise / Lucario: 5 new moves
Mega Banette / Aggron / Charizard X: 6 new moves
Mega Gardevoir / Steelix: 7 new moves
Mega Heracross: I have no idea. (No Pokedex Info - Add, please!)

I would like to suggest a rebalance to all 2/3 new moves Mega Pokemons listed above.

I'm considering in my rebalance suggestion that all should have at least 4 new moves when evolved to Mega form.

Some pokemons change so much the moveset that they look a brand new pokemon. Some doesn't have the same privilege.

According to this, I wrote ALL moves that changes when evolved. Already in game + my ideas. So we always count 4 new moves by Mega.

HERE WE GO:

- Mega Abomasnow

Passive: Grass Knot
m1: Haze
m2: Low Kick
m3: Razor Leaf
m4: Ice Shard
m5: Grassicle Claw
m6: Aurora Veil
m7: Secret Power
m8: Synthesis
m9: Mist
m10: Natural Gem

Rebalance Suggestion:

Passive: Grass Knot
m1: Haze
m2: Low Kick
m3: Razor Leaf
m4: Secret Power (Remove Ice Shard) New Move 1
m5: Grassicle Claw
m6: Aurora Sphere (Remove Aurora Veil /Add its TM Loot) New Move 2
m7: Natural Gem (Remove Natural Gift) New Move 3
m8: Synthesis
m9: Avalanche (Remove Mist) New Move 4
m10: Leaf Tornado

- Mega Garchomp

P: Stampede
m1: Fire Fang
m2: Dragon Rage
m3: Clanging Scales
m4: Dual Chop
m5: Rock Tomb
m6: Sand Tomb
m7: Thousand Arrows
m8: Detect
m9: Dragon Cry
m10: Epicenter

Rebalance Suggestion:

P: Stampede
P: Thousand Arrows (Add as second passive move) New Move 1
m1: Smart Strike (Remove Fire Fang) New Move 2
m2: Dragon Rage
m3: Clanging Scales
m4: Dual Chop
m5: Rock Storm (Remove Rock Tomb) New Move 3
m6: Sand Tomb
m7: False Swipe (Remove Thousand Arrows) New Move 4
m8: Detect
m9: Dragon Cry
m10: Epicenter

- Mega Metagross

P: Gravity
m1: Metal Claw
m2: Role Play
m3: Telekinesis
m4: Psy Pulse
m5: Rock Tomb
m6: Hammer Arm
m7: Gear Grind
m8: Power Trick
m9: Doom Desire
m10: Magnetic Shock

Rebalance Suggestion:

P: Gravity
P: Gyro Ball (Add as second passive move) New Move 1
m1: Miracle Eye (Remove Metal Claw) New Move 2
m2: Role Play
m3: Telekinesis
m4: Psy Pulse
m5: Rock Storm (Remove Rock Tomb) New Move 3
m6: Hammer Arm
m7: Gear Grind
m8: False Swipe (Remove Power Trick) New Move 4
m9: Doom Desire
m10: Magnetic Shock

- Mega Blazinken

P: Agility
m1: Mega kick
m2: Burn Up
m3: Mach Punch
m4: Low Kick
m5: Bulk Up
m6: Lava Punch
m7: Fire Pledge
m8: Counter
m9: Incinerate
m10: Flare Blit

Rebalance Suggestion:

P: Agility
P: Close Combat (Add as second passive move) New Move 1
m1: Burn Up
m2: Sky Uppercut (Remove Solar Beam/Add its TM Loot) New Move 2
m3: Mach Punch
m4: Low Kick
m5: Fire Waves (Remove Bulk Up) New Move 3
m6: Lava Punch
m7: Low Sweep (Remove Fire Pledge) New Move 4
m8: Counter
m9: Incinerate
m10: Flare Blitz

- Mega Swampert

P: Bubblebeam
m1: Hammer Arm
m2: Mud Bomb
m3: Muddy Water
m4: Aqua Blast
m5: Water Spout
m6: Frustration
m7: Sand Force
m8: Protection
m9: Whirlpool
m10: Earthquake

Rebalance Suggestion:

P: Bubblebeam (Change passive to Whirlpool)
m1: Hammer Arm (Remove Mud Slap) New Move 1
m2: Mud Bomb
m3: Muddy Water
m4: Aqua Blast
m5: Water Spout (Remove Hydro Cannon) New Move 2
m6: Frustration
m7: Sand Force (Remove Mud) New Move 3
m8: Protection
m9: Water Tornado (Remove Whirlpool) New Move 4
m10: Earthquake

PS - Check its loot. Swampert drops only Earthquake. Mega Swampert drops only Mud Bomb and no Held.

- Mega Diance

P: -
m1: telekinesis
m2: Aromatic Mist
m3: Power Gem
m4: Smack Down
m5: Natural Gift
m6: Fairy Dreams
m7: Skill Swap
m8: trick Room
m9: Diamond Storm
m10: Dazzling Gleam

Rebalance Suggestion:

P: Baby-doll eyes (Add as Passive Move) New Move 1
m1: Telekinesis (Remove Rock Throw) New Move 2
m2: Aromatic Mist
m3: Power Gem
m4: Smack Down
m5: Natural Gift (Remove Baby-doll eyes) New Move 3
m6: Fairy Dreams (Remove Geomancy) New Move 4
m7: Skill Swap
m8: Trick Room
m9: Diamond Storm
m10: Dazzling Gleam


I hope you guys understand the reason I checked all Megas and created this rebalance suggestion.

IF you dislike, please, share your own ideas here in this topic.

Hope you like it! Cause it took me 2 days to check/think and writte everything! xD

 

[Sting]

I do dislike
1. No one ever said that megas should have x moves changed (like its in shiny case)
2. Due to number 1 there will be no rebalancing of any of them because they are fine as they are now, if any mega will become outdated then we will rebalance it (like poi megas that got changed)
3. I kinda do not understand your suggestions they are mostly current mega movesets just either weaker or stronger (why you skipped the fact that blaziken have solar beam as a good counter vs his weakness?)
4. Going back to first number some megas will have lower ammount of moves changed just because they would be too broken (abomasnow with just 2 skills is a monster)

 

[Raissa]

Not seeing a reason to change something, that doesn't require a change and you are suggesting that to something, that is already very strong. So your suggestion is rejected for now.

 

[Cesittos]

I do dislike
1. No one ever said that megas should have x moves changed (like its in shiny case)
2. Due to number 1 there will be no rebalancing of any of them because they are fine as they are now, if any mega will become outdated then we will rebalance it (like poi megas that got changed)
3. I kinda do not understand your suggestions they are mostly current mega movesets just either weaker or stronger (why you skipped the fact that blaziken have solar beam as a good counter vs his weakness?)
4. Going back to first number some megas will have lower ammount of moves changed just because they would be too broken (abomasnow with just 2 skills is a monster)

If You check Normal Gardevoir - Mega Gardevoir - Sh Gardevoir you probably gonna like all versions cause the moveset is incredible in all versions. Sounds like a Shiny is better or equal to its Mega Version. Makes me think some shinies are somehow a Mega pokemon here in Padventures. Also you can sell em if u try once and do not like. Also dont have any restriction with cooldown (like Megas).

I don't think MEGAs are BAD right now, but I said some of them have huge diference.
My suggestion was to give new moves to others versions that does not change a lot... If compaired to others in your normal form.

I copied the moves u already changed in game to point 4 changes when it evolves. So I just added 1 or 2 new moves to become 4 new moves when evolved. But it's okay to be rejected, all good.

In my opinion Garchomp, Swampert and Blazinken recomendations were not agressive or abusive. Swampert is the worst mega moveset I could imagine in game. I have no idea about Pinsir. Blazinken doesnt need a Grass move to fight back water well, but I understand the reason it was added to Mega Version. Could become a passive move this solar beam and add Sky Uppercut (tm blaziken all version drops and dont have on moveset. Also the same problem with tm to Abomasnow.)

Garchomp seems to b bigger and obtains False Swipe, which other Megas have. A good move, but only 1 new significant move + Smart Strike.
Gardevoir (all forms) has many healing moves possibilities. Wish can copy good moves like (ref/protect/heal ones), telekinesis, Healing wish and can learn selfheal as tm.

I don't wanna NERF people's Megas I just wanted to point some megas are much better in moves than others. Of course we have HP and stuff to consider, but I guess some of those guys should consider a review.

Raissa and Sting, thanks for your answers. Just wanted to develop a conversation about that. I knew I would not have reason in everythin, but for sure I aint 100% wrong.

PS - I saw i made confusion with some normal forms moves/mega moves in first moveset list but they are all correct according to the pokemon in its Normal Form.

 

[Mirajane]

If you think about it megas might have new typing making it reasonable to have more than 2/3 moves changed.

 

[Metin]

This thread is kinda funny because these pokemons are beyond op lol

 

[Khormes]

This thread is kinda funny because these pokemons are beyond op lol

He is crying because he want stronger Mega Abomasnow, which is already beast xD

 

[Cesittos]

If you think about it megas might have new typing making it reasonable to have more than 2/3 moves changed.

I suggested 4 new moves as "basic formula" to change when a Mega is evolved.
I guess I should have just written that without any "rebalance" idea added here.

This thread is kinda funny because these pokemons are beyond op lol

Some megas, not all megas. Hope u get a Mega Swampert and dont ask rebalance. xD
Never said all megas were bad. Just read once again the topic! Yes, most are good.

He is crying because he want stronger Mega Abomasnow, which is already beast xD

Amigo, if u think this topic is about Aboma (which u could just change aurora veil for aurora sphere - cause the tm loot) u r really wrong.

If it were the point of this topic.... I'd be also helping ya. Since u asked a cloned rhyperior + elder charizard for your abomasite.

LOVELY price. Made me laugh tons.

RIP, khormes.

 

[Zecao]

mega banette 6 new moves ? XD

 

[Cesittos]

mega banette 6 new moves ? XD

Yes, that's a mega I love the moves.

Unfortunately most people that read this topic dont lose 1min to check pokedex and think about the things I said here.

But now I know what I did wrong in this topic. I should have just written that all megas formula should change @ least 4 moves to make em "special" when evolved. Nothing else. I swear it was my main idea.


Banette / Mega Banette: (If u never compaired em, check here)

http://prntscr.com/pgmege

 

[Khormes]

Amigo, if u think this topic is about Aboma (which u could just change aurora veil for aurora sphere - cause the tm loot) u r really wrong.

If it were the point of this topic.... I'd be also helping ya. Since u asked a cloned rhyperior + elder charizard for your abomasite.

LOVELY price. Made me laugh tons.

RIP, khormes.

As i said its beast, good poke = good price, but what you can know about it, also i dont remember if i was offering it to you since you have one, should stay as it is, luckily everyone from staff rejected one of yours the best ideas
At least was some fun of reading it

RIP Khormes xDDD

 

[Cesittos]

As i said its beast, good poke = good price, but what you can know about it, also i dont remember if i was offering it to you since you have one, should stay as it is, luckily everyone from staff rejected one of yours the best ideas
At least was some fun of reading it

RIP Khormes xDDD

Too many players usin same account... U have no idea what your charc offered when u were offline!
Yea i got this offer! And i laughed tons. RIP the one who buy your stone this price.

Like I said.... Rejected idea isnt a problem.
I like my Mega, the point was not the Mega I use.

I just don't understand some pokemons looting stuff they dont have as moveset.
Also dont think it's fair a Mega evolution with 7 new moves and other pokemons 2 moves.
Not fair, Not balanced. My point of view. Am I wrong? Maybe.

 

[huberto]

Yes, that's a mega I love the moves.

Unfortunately most people that read this topic dont lose 1min to check pokedex and think about the things I said here.

But now I know what I did wrong in this topic. I should have just written that all megas formula should change @ least 4 moves to make em "special" when evolved. Nothing else. I swear it was my main idea.


Banette / Mega Banette: (If u never compaired em, check here)

http://prntscr.com/pgmege

6 different moves you say?

 

[Cesittos]

4, almost half the moves change. More than 2. Idk if I counted wrong or mistyped. (counted 6 moves it keep and wrote wrong here. My fault! Sorry)

Also love Mega Shadow. Looks like Voldermort's move it uses. xD

Avada Kedrava!

PS - I wished the focus was Mega Pokemons with less moves changed. Not those with 5, 6 or 7 new moves.

 

[Raissa]

what is the point of having 9382938 different moves if certain megas are strong as fuck? it's like forcing to change something, that is already good.

 

[ToxicBoii]

what is the point of having 9382938 different moves if certain megas are strong as fuck? it's like forcing to change something, that is already good.

Maybe someone have OCD? And everything need to be the same, idk, i'm guessing

 

[Cesittos]

Reviewed all Megas once again. So this topic can be used for anyone (staff or not) sooner or later.

My opinion was already given/rejected.

However I still think some Megas are more privileged than others if you compair Normal Form x Mega Form moveset.

I thought all Megas would always surprise with new special OR get exclusive moves instead of repeat many from its Normal Form.

As we can see most change a lot. I was trying to focus in the few Megas that just change 2 or 3 new moves + Swampert (really bad moves).


MEGA EVO (Amount of new moves when evolved):

7 New Moves:

01- Mega Gardevoir http://prntscr.com/pgpmvj

02- Mega Steelix https://prnt.sc/pgnuy9

6 New Moves:

03- Mega Lucario http://prntscr.com/pgpn7h

04- Mega Mawile http://prntscr.com/pgpnju

05- Mega Charizard X http://prntscr.com/pgpmkn

5 New Moves:

06- Mega Blastoise http://prntscr.com/pgpnz5

07- Mega Aggron http://prntscr.com/pgpp5t

4 New Moves:

08- Mega Absol http://prntscr.com/pgppi5

09- Mega Altaria http://prntscr.com/pgpony

10- Mega Swampert http://prntscr.com/pgpnr6

11- Mega Banete http://prntscr.com/pgmege

3 New Moves:

12- Mega Blaziken http://prntscr.com/pgpodc

13- Mega Diance http://prntscr.com/pgq296

2 New Moves:

14- Mega Abomasnow http://prntscr.com/pgpv2t (2 new moves when evolved)

15- Mega Garchomp http://prntscr.com/pgpxmf (2 new moves when evolved)

16- Mega Metagross http://prntscr.com/pgpz6m (2 new moves when evolved)

No Pokedex Info:

17- Mega Pinsir

18- Mega Heracross

19- Mega Alakazam (I will Bring Pokedex details later)

20- Mega Gengar (I will Bring Pokedex details later)

 

[Popeye]

Bump for mega swampert improve! Is worst than Gastrodon :/