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Greninja

Passive - Swift
m1 - Snatch
m2 - Haze -> Muddy Water, Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Shadow Sneak
m5 - Water Pulse
m6 - Brutal Swing
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion
m9 - Water Sport
m10 - Hydropump

Greninja need a little improvement, add new AOE will help

Shiny Greninja

Passive - Swift
m1 - Thief
m2 - Haze -> Muddy Water, Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Shadow Sneak
m5 - Water Pulse
m6 - Phantom Force
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion
m9 - Foam Burst
m10 - Hydropump

Shiny Greninja need a little improvement, add new AOE will help

Ash Greninja

Passive Shadow Sneak -> Elusion

m1 - Have
m2 - Aerial Ace
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Gunk Shot -> Muddy Water or Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m5 - Foul Play -> Fling

m6 - Switcheroo
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion -> Shadow Sneak or other move 1vs1
m9 - Bouncy Bubbles
m10 - Hydropump

Ash Greninja need some changes, other AOE will help. Other idea is change Elusion for passive and add a good stunning for him.
 
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I don't think remove Haze would be a good idea. Greninja and their versions are more used for duels and its helps a lot, cuz its the only counter skill to agains his weakness. Maybe change another move instead of Haze.
 

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Shiny Greninja

Passive - Swift
m1 - Thief
m2 - Haze -> Muddy Water, Ocean Waves or Tsunami
m3 - Water Shuriken
m4 - Shadow Sneak
m5 - Water Pulse
m6 - Phantom Force
m7 - Mat Block
m8 - Elusion
m9 - Foam Burst
m10 - Hydropump

Shiny Greninja need a little improvement, add new AOE will help
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I think Haze should stay
It's Foam Burst what should be changed, its too slow and old.
Aqua Cut or Ocean Waves sounds better.
Also it's shiny form has no damage buff on its aoe skills, atleast if not rebalance is happening, consider increasing some damage on hydropump or foam burst (.-.)
 

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It would solve greninja family problem if you add a move similiar to Snowscape , removing mat block and elusion and giving a stun, mainly speaking about ash greninja
 
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