Zarude

[Coszma.]

(there wasnt thread opened for galar so had to go for alola)

Passive -> Power Whip / Beat Up
Close Combat
Razor Leaf
Rock Tomb
Jungle Healing
Taunt -> Fling / Snap Trap
Grass Knot
Thief
Dark Whispers
Bloom Doom
Darkest Lariat

Hi
Taunt is not big & fast enough to survive so i'd like to suggest some other area stun above.

Also Night Daze in it's TM Learnset, gives less damage than it should be.
Can you set it as 3K base damage x2 each

 

[stin stauer]

Zarude's type has many weaknesses, if we compare zarude to cacturne, cacturne has a way better moveset with protection/reflect + heal + sandstorm as counter, it's great to survive anywhere and even be competite in duel.

When we check zarude's moveset, it's a little poor.
Zarude has a heal that gives a fast and short quick guard, imo zarude's heal could be like hisuan electrode with heal + protection.

 

[Albuquerque]

Probably all dark skills and tms are nerfed because Darkest Lariast's damage is 1400 against weakness, without any buff ability and helds. So I think it should be rebalanced too if he get rebalance on others skills.

 

[Coszma.]

Zarude has a heal that gives a fast and short quick guard, imo zarude's heal could be like hisuan electrode with heal + protection.

Not gonna lie thats some good idea
I’ll not even dare to ask protection move on pokemon since i had some experiences..
But it would be great

Probably all dark skills and tms are nerfed because Darkest Lariast's damage

Yeah it is crazy damage
It should have nerfed damage in other skills which it actually do on
dark whispers (1600x3)
snarl (2k each)
(I edit this sentence after the post of Inci & Zarude comparison)
while incineroar having 2k whispers and 2.3 snarl

but am i wrong or night daze’s base damage wasnt 6K in total ?
Correct me if its wrong but i thought TM damages can not be buffed or nerfed

I’ve tested many pokemons in test room and either cloned pokemons not have extra damage or normal forms have less

 

[Albuquerque]

Not gonna lie thats some good idea
I’ll not even dare to ask protection move on pokemon since i had some experiences..
But it would be great

Yeah it is crazy damage
It should have nerfed damage in other skills which it actually do on dark whispers (1600x3)

but am i wrong or night daze’s base damage wasnt 6K in total ?
Correct me if its wrong but i thought TM damages can not be buffed or nerfed

I’ve tested many pokemons in test room and either cloned pokemons not have extra damage or normal forms have less

Dark Whispers
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1622 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1624 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1622 damage to an Alakazam.

Darkest Lariast
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1422 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1416 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1420 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1416 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1420 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Zarude deals 1426 damage to an Alakazam.

Approximate total 13300 damage

Dark Whispers
15:54 Your Incineroar deals 2010 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Incineroar deals 2006 damage to an Alakazam.
15:54 Your Incineroar deals 2014 damage to an Alakazam.

Darkest Lariast
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1008 damage to an Alakazam.
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1008 damage to an Alakazam.
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1012 damage to an Alakazam.
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1012 damage to an Alakazam.
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1008 damage to an Alakazam.
15:55 Your Incineroar deals 1000 damage to an Alakazam.

Approximate total 12100

Dark Whispers
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 2012 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 2010 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 2000 damage to an Alakazam.

Darkest Lariast
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1108 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1114 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1110 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1116 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1110 damage to an Alakazam.
15:56 Your Shiny Incineroar deals 1106 damage to an Alakazam.

Approximate total 12700

If you compare it to Incineroar (shiny/normal) which has the same skill as Zarude, he has a little more damage, so its kinda ok that nerf on dark whispers cuz darkest lariast dmg it ends up paying off quite a bit. But if u guys want buff his Dark Whispers then Darkest Lariast should be nerfed a little bit.

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Yea, you're not wrong TMs dmg doesn't have a lot difference in btw normal/shiny/cloned version, its almost the same. Some has a little difference but I believe it has a purpose they don't share with us. For now I only remember Shadow Storm on Obstagoon is buffed a lot, and I think some force palm tm in any fight pokemon.
The reason who knows? Only if u complain they will explain for u, like I did with Shiny Hisuian Arcanine without any buff ability has more damage on meteor beam than Cloned Rhydon with Reckless, so Sting told me why xd

I guess night daze damage ranges from 2.6~2.8k in tms. On moveset should be 2.8~3k.

 

[Coszma.]

Thank you Albu to atleast explaining why its nerfed
I was thinking its kind of mistake by creator, didnt knew that they do it in purpose
Wish Sting were told me it should be like that

he prefers to ignore

Well beside Night Daze
Also beside offensive of Zarude
Just like from the beginning im asking

Fling / Snap Trap instead of Taunt
in order to get him lasts few more seconds

 

[Himbeere]

I agree

 

[Sting]

night daze dmg will be changed after restart

 

[Carlos Eduardo]

The idea of giving him a protection is perfect, he has many weaknesses, and even with great Aoes, it ends up being a pokemon unfeasible to use (dies too fast), and we have many other Dark pokemon better.

Weakness is not lacking ;/

The idea of reworking the jungle healing movement and adding protection is perfect, it would be similar to the Decorate movement of Alcremie. But I confess that when I saw this attack for the first time it instantly reminded me of petal healing and floral healing, but maybe it's an exaggeration (or not, after all it's a Mitico Pokemon)

In case you don't see protection as a good idea, what about a better Stun? as the friend suggested, taunt is not enough to supply Zarude's weaknesses, and even putting the Fling tm in one of the TM slots, it's still insufficient for Zarude to have any highlight

 

[stin stauer]

hey, can u give midnight pulse instead taunt? xd