Some suggested move updates/reworks

[R05ZEK]

Hi,
Some moves are outdated or close to useless in PvE, with their potential wasted. That quite commonly gatekeeps many pokemon from being good, or valid at the very least. Here are some examples that IMO could easily be updated and suggestions how to change them:
- Scary Face - the 2x2 range on this move is tragic with its only upside is that it works in spite of target having "Protection" effect of some kind. Changing range to 4x4, with max run-away distance a pokemon will try to reach being 5-tiles could make it useful in PvE as a valid CC
- Toxic Web/Shocking Web - a move appealing, original, however quite useless on high level respawns and bosses. Switching its hit pattern to that of 4x4/5x5 "Imprison" type moves would be a great change, with its initial dmg remaining at 2k, at the same time applying web-related slow and 100dmg/tick. IMO that works better than some ground effect that rarely ever works well enough
- Big Splash - ok, cool, a semi-troll fun ability on a semi-troll pokemon, but it's so annoying both when fighting Big Magikarps or when using one. Instead of knocking everything back like Mean Look used to, could we have it knock UP in similar manner to Expanding Force? Like, Big Magikarp "jumps up" similar just as in Freezing Shock animation, then lands, deals dmg and knocks hit enemies up. Wouldn't it be fun and quite useful at the same time? Not to mention saving so many from death due to Shedinja getting knocked in the wall and fished pokemon switching aggro to the player

Furthermore, would it be possible to have the effects of moves displayed in pokedex similar to descriptions regarding abilities, visible by hovering mouse over? F.ex. Blizzard - Rain type, ice damage, Sandstorm - Tornado type, Rock damage, causes sandstorm weather, or Magma Storm - Bullet type, fire damage. If we wanna minmax quality of life there could be displayed damage as well, especially useful for checking quality of pokemon with buffed dmg, like Shinies, Mythic etc., like Magma Storm - Bullet type, 6x500 fire damage.

Thanks for reading and share your feedback, wether you're a player sharing your opinion or a member of staff explaining your take on this matter.
With regards
Snapp

 

[Sting]

Hi,
Some moves are outdated or close to useless in PvE, with their potential wasted. That quite commonly gatekeeps many pokemon from being good, or valid at the very least. Here are some examples that IMO could easily be updated and suggestions how to change them:
- Scary Face - the 2x2 range on this move is tragic with its only upside is that it works in spite of target having "Protection" effect of some kind. Changing range to 4x4, with max run-away distance a pokemon will try to reach being 5-tiles could make it useful in PvE as a valid CC
- Toxic Web/Shocking Web - a move appealing, original, however quite useless on high level respawns and bosses. Switching its hit pattern to that of 4x4/5x5 "Imprison" type moves would be a great change, with its initial dmg remaining at 2k, at the same time applying web-related slow and 100dmg/tick. IMO that works better than some ground effect that rarely ever works well enough
- Big Splash - ok, cool, a semi-troll fun ability on a semi-troll pokemon, but it's so annoying both when fighting Big Magikarps or when using one. Instead of knocking everything back like Mean Look used to, could we have it knock UP in similar manner to Expanding Force? Like, Big Magikarp "jumps up" similar just as in Freezing Shock animation, then lands, deals dmg and knocks hit enemies up. Wouldn't it be fun and quite useful at the same time? Not to mention saving so many from death due to Shedinja getting knocked in the wall and fished pokemon switching aggro to the player

Furthermore, would it be possible to have the effects of moves displayed in pokedex similar to descriptions regarding abilities, visible by hovering mouse over? F.ex. Blizzard - Rain type, ice damage, Sandstorm - Tornado type, Rock damage, causes sandstorm weather, or Magma Storm - Bullet type, fire damage. If we wanna minmax quality of life there could be displayed damage as well, especially useful for checking quality of pokemon with buffed dmg, like Shinies, Mythic etc., like Magma Storm - Bullet type, 6x500 fire damage.

Thanks for reading and share your feedback, wether you're a player sharing your opinion or a member of staff explaining your take on this matter.
With regards
Snapp

I can increase range of scary face but I will put it on the same range as water pulse etc.

Toxic Web etc. won't get changes they are target moves with smaller area and:
1. I won't increase the area of dmg since it wouldnt fit it's sprite
2. I won't make it appear under every pokemon in area since even with changed sprite it would look bad

Big Splash could be considered for rebalance in future if I would touch big magikarp for now i can make them not able to use it as a wild pokemon.

 

[demzpacito]

sting since ure so willingful in this thread please increase range of no retreat tell me what can i do to pay u back since u refused my pack of feet pics

 

[R05ZEK]

Sounds fair, those Web changes were a farfetched idea anyway

 

[R05ZEK]

Since you agreed on Scary face range change can you change Roar, Bug Screech etc? They're kinda same moves

 

[R05ZEK]

Since we're at the topic of changes, could we consider giving Rhydon and Rhyperior thematicaly accurate Impale (since they can pierce your a** with their horns) instead of Stone Crash? Just a suggestion and a small buff at the same time

 

[Carlos Eduardo]

It's kind of standard that when we think of healing pokémon, we think of grass, fairy and psychic types. But there are a few exceptions, one example being Frosslass with Cold Heart. I'd like to expand the variety of pokémon with access to healing attacks, in this case giving healing moves to other types.

Following the idea of the topic, moves like Moolight, Morning Sun and even Aqua Ring could be adapted to be area healing. This would improve and highlight many pokémon that have been forgotten.

But if you think it's too much, maybe create new area healing moves for these types!
Ps: In the topic about Diancie, I thought of suggesting something like "Jewel of Life" or "Healing Crystal".A cure for the Rock type