Really good idea, this system would be much fairer.
New raid system
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Really good idea, this system would be much fairer.
MestredoBCC
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I think you have to limit the amount of Held Smart Candy to 1 or 2 per team.
I don't think that items dropped in the raid have to be given randomly. The person who give the Most normally and are more prepared and who work harder on the Boss, so I believe he deserves the best prize, but do we still have the Last hit that values the most attentive person? and with luck. This is right in my opinion.
I see the other point and I also agree with him xD. I think we can make raids more attractive to everyone, giving better drops to everyone in general more randomly but not the best items.
I don't think that items dropped in the raid have to be given randomly. The person who give the Most normally and are more prepared and who work harder on the Boss, so I believe he deserves the best prize, but do we still have the Last hit that values the most attentive person? and with luck. This is right in my opinion.
I see the other point and I also agree with him xD. I think we can make raids more attractive to everyone, giving better drops to everyone in general more randomly but not the best items.
We need a change! People not complain about boss mechanic, we just need a change loot system in the way that everyone have chance to make progress and that not mean to people who deal most dmg will be not most beneficts from all of that, just rest of us want more opportunity.
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We need a change! People not complain about boss mechanic, we just need a change loot system in the way that everyone have chance to make progress and that not mean to people who deal most dmg will be not most beneficts from all of that, just rest of us want more opportunity.
+1 but we all know administration will dont do anythiing
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Idk why wanna put limit on the amount of smart candy, is it only for raids? i have seen ppl using this held for respawn/duels, u guys can say: "but this helds is broken, it increases greatly the damage, so buy this helds it's simple, player with pokemons of low price has this held, cuz is good for all, and another ppl who has expensive pokemons dont have this held, idk why want to limit this held, all is balanced
And about the raid system is good, u want opportunity against the raiders who have years of practice, study and preparation; the only oportunity is last hit and is good cuz u can steal the big reward as the most damge, u cant won the most, starting, you need to make up for the difference they have with time and dedication, and that's for the game in general
http://www.padventures.org/forum/showthread.php?44896-Funny-stuff&p=409304#post409304 < If you really think raid system is really unfair just take a look to our poor friend Marshalldx, and this happened with all raider
And about the raid system is good, u want opportunity against the raiders who have years of practice, study and preparation; the only oportunity is last hit and is good cuz u can steal the big reward as the most damge, u cant won the most, starting, you need to make up for the difference they have with time and dedication, and that's for the game in general
http://www.padventures.org/forum/showthread.php?44896-Funny-stuff&p=409304#post409304 < If you really think raid system is really unfair just take a look to our poor friend Marshalldx, and this happened with all raider
and? XD this still is stupid that only lat and most have nay chances for items.Why u all are talking about BUT THEY TRYHARD THEY ARE LOOKING FOR BEST POKEMON its stupid xD normal tibia boss loot system is 100000x better than this on pa
MestredoBCC
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I think the problem is limit life orb(Low price and have quest) and dont do nothing about smart candy(High price and no quest).I think the right think is limit both or none.
Billy hatake
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since there are no limits to using smart candies, I think the best solution would be to give the opportunity to use 2 life orbs.
Carlos Eduardo
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How many times has this discussion been raised in recent months ? Unfortunately if nothing is done , soon we will have about 5 more topics with this theme ;/
In my opinion the biggest problem is that we have a raid where several players participate and only 2 win ! This is frustrating for most players.
My idea would be (I believe it has already been suggested by others) the creation of a second type of rewards for raids : "Raid Tokens",
By participating in a raid and managing to deal "x" amount of damage, the player would receive a 'Raid Token'. The 'Raid Tokens' could be exchanged for held box, tm case, maybe a new Pokémon exclusive to the system or even a box with a chance to receive the rare raid items (shiny charm, meowth, smart candy).
Why do I think this system would work ? Well it would maintain the current system (where the rich get richer), and create a new reward for the majority (the 99% of players who always leave empty handed). This would encourage players who normally don't raid to start raiding, to simply guarantee their token and in the future exchange it for rewards.
something that could help is the creation of item helds similar to Black belt(fighter), Aconitum(grass and poison), Lustrous Orb(water) for the types that don't have them yet(which are almost all)
In my opinion the biggest problem is that we have a raid where several players participate and only 2 win ! This is frustrating for most players.
My idea would be (I believe it has already been suggested by others) the creation of a second type of rewards for raids : "Raid Tokens",
By participating in a raid and managing to deal "x" amount of damage, the player would receive a 'Raid Token'. The 'Raid Tokens' could be exchanged for held box, tm case, maybe a new Pokémon exclusive to the system or even a box with a chance to receive the rare raid items (shiny charm, meowth, smart candy).
Why do I think this system would work ? Well it would maintain the current system (where the rich get richer), and create a new reward for the majority (the 99% of players who always leave empty handed). This would encourage players who normally don't raid to start raiding, to simply guarantee their token and in the future exchange it for rewards.
You said it all xD
something that could help is the creation of item helds similar to Black belt(fighter), Aconitum(grass and poison), Lustrous Orb(water) for the types that don't have them yet(which are almost all)
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I don't understand the concept of "funny" in this topic. Since in previous threads he doesn't support any changes to the system:
He got revives paid and create a thread, if u know about that then it becomes funny.
So don't use sarcasm or anything trying to be funny. It's not. The system is kinda broken and you guys are not ready to talk about any changes or accept them. There's a lot of threads like that and just a waste of time.
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lorensillo
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As you said there has been many threads, to avoid the same discussion I'm bringing here why is NOT thaaaat unfair how people think it is rn, this doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved, of course it could be better.
Just to make a point about the helds, even restricting to 1 smart candy as 1 life orb, wont do any difference, all the good players win because they learned how to raid, how to blink the pokemon, how to follow the boss and how to use 1-2 pokemons as much spamming revives, so making a limit to smart candys wont help the situation and it will even create a flood of them in the market making a lot of people lose money because of how much they already paid to get one nowadays.
We already got some much more attractive suggestions with a % and numbers to make a bit real and not just a shoot to the air, take a look to what Demz said a lot of time ago, but went nowhere, I really hope that good suggestions like these one could be considered.
And as dear Mr psyduck said, Demz once also spoke about creating a tokens system, but only for the main/expensive raid like sh charm meowth bait, smart candy(ofc this would depend of how its developed)
But what should u consider is that even developing a new token system you cant give tokens to everyone as a rare candy on a raid, otherwise you're going to have a bunch of random players getting prizes with 0 effort, so if a boss is going to give away tokens ofc make the tokens split so more players could get something but anyway should be restricted as much to 3-5 top damages, last hit and maybe a few randoms over a minimum % of damage to avoid players who just fly over the raid, this way u could improve the gameplay not only for the regular 2-3 most damages but also to a few other players, this way people would also make some effort to go raid, even if they aren't in the best shape of winning the most damage.
So lets not dive into the same shitstorm discussions and go bump good ideas that were already given, or develop another one but with real numbers.
Just to make a point about the helds, even restricting to 1 smart candy as 1 life orb, wont do any difference, all the good players win because they learned how to raid, how to blink the pokemon, how to follow the boss and how to use 1-2 pokemons as much spamming revives, so making a limit to smart candys wont help the situation and it will even create a flood of them in the market making a lot of people lose money because of how much they already paid to get one nowadays.
We already got some much more attractive suggestions with a % and numbers to make a bit real and not just a shoot to the air, take a look to what Demz said a lot of time ago, but went nowhere, I really hope that good suggestions like these one could be considered.
And as dear Mr psyduck said, Demz once also spoke about creating a tokens system, but only for the main/expensive raid like sh charm meowth bait, smart candy(ofc this would depend of how its developed)
But what should u consider is that even developing a new token system you cant give tokens to everyone as a rare candy on a raid, otherwise you're going to have a bunch of random players getting prizes with 0 effort, so if a boss is going to give away tokens ofc make the tokens split so more players could get something but anyway should be restricted as much to 3-5 top damages, last hit and maybe a few randoms over a minimum % of damage to avoid players who just fly over the raid, this way u could improve the gameplay not only for the regular 2-3 most damages but also to a few other players, this way people would also make some effort to go raid, even if they aren't in the best shape of winning the most damage.
So lets not dive into the same shitstorm discussions and go bump good ideas that were already given, or develop another one but with real numbers.
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hello, back from the dead since my idea of tokens was brought into light.. this is what i had in mind if anyone's curious. ofc its easier to create a glowing chicken with ultimate fart of doom because randomizing reward is always the best solution so dont get too excited
back into my cave, see ya peasants
back into my cave, see ya peasants
Arcanist Karl
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It is not always necessary to get the main reward
Well, I'm back after a small season playing global Tibia. A suggestion is to make like we have in bosses there: The boss itself has a loot (which could be here something like cards and cheap helds, for example, that goes to the highest damage dealer/pt) and in private, each one receives a loot (that here is similar to cases, tms, expensive helds, etc) in private (the green loot all player receives when killing something) totally at random. The main loots going in private would finish at least most of the complainings, since no one would have access to the rewards everyone got. I think that we could have 2 notes about it:
1. we can make a contribution reward, improving chances for the highest damages getting the best loots ("oh Karl, you delusional, thats what we have right now", ye, but now in private green msg, not default orange one).
2. players paranoia in game manipulation and how staff helps only some (and I'm included on those paranoics sometimes, even tho I'm improving in seeing how those "helped by staff" are normally non-life'ing).
Then, PLEASE FFS remove the "the most damage was also last hit, then most damage goes to second damage dealer", cause that's absolutely non-sense. It's like playing football, you score a hat trick for a 3-0 match, and the man of the match goes to the goalkeeper. If I kicked asses to be the first (and also the last), I still want to be the first, why would the game give all MY effort to another player if I'm the one who contributed the most?
It is not always necessary to get the main reward, as Kingox said, BUT the game has to benefit the guy who wasted time, supplies and the best strategy to be the top one. (and before someone says that it would benefit me, I am way behind the best raiders here).
Demz idea seems pretty nice also and could fit on a system like this ^
My 2 cents.
I've been playing this game since 2020, July, your only boss achievement is Darkrai's final hit, Shadow Ball loot. Cool topic, not overlooked, but requiring attention. All in all, I will not say anything in general because I play too short, but I will tell you about something that needs improvement. Whoever wants to go to events, who wants to, you know, but if someone like me focuses on achievements and sees something like that in the profiles, legs break under him.
(I haven't noticed if there are any more, but let's focus on these four achievements.)
You may require knowledge of the game, the best pokemon, but looking above, you can start tearing your hair out. The problem with these achievements is that if someone has already done it and comes and starts dancing again, it takes away the opportunity from others. What is more, the masks from the first achievements mentioned above are required, you can buy them, but the problem is getting the achievement in the profile, and buying the mask will not allow you to do so. There were probably different ones to be, and I would not write it, but you are Zygarde Celle very desirable, when you got them, you do not gain access to the boss, someone takes another prize. And as we know, bosses (not counting the vacation period where there were a lot of them), the specific ones are very rare. These are the years of the game. It is not about blocking that person from getting the most damage, but about being able to transfer the achievement to the next place with the highest damage. Do not take away the person from getting the highest damage, but at least transfer it to the next person with high damage who does not have this achievement.
(I haven't noticed if there are any more, but let's focus on these four achievements.)
You may require knowledge of the game, the best pokemon, but looking above, you can start tearing your hair out. The problem with these achievements is that if someone has already done it and comes and starts dancing again, it takes away the opportunity from others. What is more, the masks from the first achievements mentioned above are required, you can buy them, but the problem is getting the achievement in the profile, and buying the mask will not allow you to do so. There were probably different ones to be, and I would not write it, but you are Zygarde Celle very desirable, when you got them, you do not gain access to the boss, someone takes another prize. And as we know, bosses (not counting the vacation period where there were a lot of them), the specific ones are very rare. These are the years of the game. It is not about blocking that person from getting the most damage, but about being able to transfer the achievement to the next place with the highest damage. Do not take away the person from getting the highest damage, but at least transfer it to the next person with high damage who does not have this achievement.
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